July 22, 2009
The President’s healthcare plan
I have a confession to make… I’ve had my head in the sand the last few weeks, so I am woefully behind on current events. In other words, I don’t have a clue what’s going on here or nationally( I know, some think how can you tell a difference 
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I watched the news conference tonight about healthcare. I gotta say, what I heard tonight sounds like a heckuva plan.
Health care available to 97-98% of the population. No addition to the ever growing deficit- 2/3 of the money to pay for it has already been found, so to speak, in other wasteful spending practices. The final 1/3 WILL NOT be placed onto the back of the middle class.
Obviously something needs to be done… like he said, the status quo can’t continue.
And, we haven’t had any good controversy on here in awhile >>read<< bring it on resident republican :)
Comments on The President’s healthcare plan »
Come on, we have evolved into a civilized species, there is no reason for people to suffer when they don’t have to.
I cant believe it took a yellow dirty dawg democrat to see through the BS we have been eating about a health care system that original Bush said “would have the compassion of the KGB” People that do have jobs and qualify for insurance are unable to insure their sick kid because of cystic fibrosis, leukemia or some crippling disease. Its that clause called “pre-existing” We are lucky to have the insurance we have through the hall. There are a lot of other people that just cant get insurance because they are sick and these are the people that need it the most! we put the power of God into insurance companies and they decide who has the right to live or die. Insurance = crime
The only reason you would write that post admin IS to try to stir things up. cause I know you ain’t stupid enough to believe that crap.
Just remember “Socialism works great till you run out of other people’s money’.
You’ll have to help me out here… where does the socialism come into play with this plan?
Taking money from those who earn it and giving it to those who don’t. Granted it’s been going on for so long that it has become the norm, but it is still a socialism,and the best way to keep people dependant forever.
When the Gov. takes entire control of the system and decides who needs what and should get what. hope you don’t need a procedure when you’re old. Washington might decide you ain’t productive enough to get it.
Like I said you know all this, but I’ll play for awhile
so your next door neighbor that doesn’t have insurance at his job… this is the guy you say doesn’t earn his money??
If a guy works, then he earns his money. It’s not the working people who don’t have ins that are the major strain on the system. It’s the lazy one’s who don’t have to work because of the gov taking care of them that are the strain on the system. Oh and don’t forget the illegals that get free care, Just ask California how that’s working out
You’re fine with the status quo?
Were in the middle of the worst recession since the 30’s and the insurance companies are making record setting profits, what’s right about that?
healthcare is completely out of reach for the majority of Americans that don’t have employer provided health insurance.
It’s not Canadian style healthcare… it’s setup for you to be able to choose the coverage that is right for you… more for some, less for others, all predicated on personal choice… NOBODY tells you what you can and can’t do, it just becomes more affordable for everybody… what is wrong with that?
This republican bogeyman word “socialism” is beginning to get on my nerves… there is absolutely nothing socialistic about this plan.
personal choice is the key word. If you believe that you actually WILL have free choice in the matter then of course utopia sounds great.
When the government controls it there will only be the bureacrats choice. if you want to drink the Kool-aid go ahead. Millions do
I’m offering free reading lessons so that people can keep up with current events by reading… instead of letting the talking heads on the radio form their opinions for them.
You should sign up… I could use the testimonial.
Like I said, I was willing to play for awhile. It gets old quick. I guess it all depends on what you’re reading, and how gullible you are.
See Ya
The people who don’t work get free medical care? Welfare? Don’t forget section 8 housing and food stamps.
Health care is no longer accessible to some of the middle class. There are guys at rat shops that are paying out the wahzoo for their wife and kids. I talk to these guys when I am at supply stores. They work for insurance not a paycheck. some have a $5k deductible.
The health care system we have in place at the 344 is a blessing for people who have a lot of children. I am the only one on my insurance at our local and I pay the same as members who have a wife and a lot of kids on the same plan. I could claim it is unfair if I were a greedy person but I’m a socialist.
Admin get your head out of the sand and start updating this site. I find it most interesting and often comical!!!
So get busy.,mollywhopper…
Clearly, many American taxpayers are upset at the idea of health-care reform. However, some Washington insiders wonder if these protests are really what they seem. Barbara Boxer, Democratic Senator from California, said that a group called Conservatives for Patients’ Rights has “bragged about organizing and manufacturing that anger.”
http://www.statesman.com/services/content/region/legislature/stories/2009/08/04/0804conghealth.html?cxtype=ynews_rss
and…
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_pl856
Funny , No one ever seems to question the authenticity of liberal protests. Guess they can dish it out, but can’t take it
I haven’t noticed the liberals coming up with as much insanity as I have the republicans. Sarah palin commented that under Obama’s bill that he would “euthanize” her boy with down syndrome. Even the old people are concerned that they would be killed because they have no purpose any more. Creating lies and panic is BS regardless of what party you are affiliated with.
Can you just give the guy a chance? We gave him the wheel to the bus after Bush & Cheney already ran it over a cliff. Now he is being called the anti-christ, muslim, African, the list goes on and on
Try to give him a chance he just got started
Calling Admin… Come in Admin…
I’m trying to get back in to it. Summer has taken a big hit on my activism.
The funny part is, that the vast majority can’t see that both sides are guilty of essentially the same or similar things that they accuse the other side of doing. To claim anything different is ignorance.
My question is; is it blissful ignorance… I think not.
If you know something will not work from the get go, do you have to support it?
I don’t have to give his policies a chance, they have failed before, time and time again, by different politicians and different countries.
You don’t have to call anybody names to say that you think he’s wrong and you don’t agree with him.
If this healthcare thing is so great, then why hasn’t it passed? The Democrats control the majorities in both houses. The Republicans can’t stop it if they wanted to. So what’s the problem? Just ram it down our throats like all the other stuff.
If I need to answer the above question for you, let me know.
So you’re fine with leaving things just they way they are?
How do you know, mr all-knowing, that it actually won’t work?
Politics as usual?… the numero uno thing wrong with this country… something this president campaigned on to eradicate rather than perpetuate, ahem.
As opposed to what he and the liberals want, then yes I’m for leaving things the way they are.
Politics as usual isn’t an answer. they have the majorities why not pass it.
“If you know something will not work from the get go”
Thats equatable to doing the same thing over and over and expecting the same result. Whether you know it or not you are already paying for other peoples health care. People are waking up in a hospital after an accident and much to their surprise they are up to their @$$ in hospital bills. What can they do? file bankruptcy. Somebody still pays but who?
The health care system is not what it used to be (think eight track tapes) its outdated and not working now for a lot of people. Its not fair that they have to work for insurance then there is no money left. Sounds like the old song “Sold my soul to the company store” What can we do? Lets create a panic! Where did all this nonsense come from that Obama wants to start killing people off?
Your right, the health care system is not what it used to be. People used to believe that if you used a service, then you paid for it. Then the Government stepped in and started taking care of everybody and mandating this and mandating that. And now we all believe we have a right to something. Health insurance is not a right in any form, private or public.
I know full well that we are paying for other’ medical emergencies and such. That in itself is not the problem. It’s the cradle to grave everything is free thinking that is the problem.
As far as Obama trying to kill people off, no sane person believes anybody will be killed,let’s be real. But if you read the House Bill you will see that end of life counseling is mandated. And it only makes sense that if funds are limited and the choice is between an old person on social security who needs heart surgery and a younger person who is still working and paying taxes who needs heart surgery, who do you think the healthcare czar is going to choose.
My parents are worried about all this and they are lifelong Democrats.
Anybody besides me wonder why the members of Congress don’t want to be included in this plan?
Heh, heh heh So you’ve read the house bill eh?
Sniff, sniff? is that smoke I smell… the smoke of you going down in flames?
Taken from docs.government.org and a copy of the bill… no liberal agenda here:
‘‘(hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the
7 term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a con8
sultation between the individual and a practitioner de9
scribed in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning,
10 if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has
11 not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such
12 consultation shall include the following:
13 ‘‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of ad14
vance care planning, including key questions and
15 considerations, important steps, and suggested peo16
ple to talk to.
17 ‘‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of ad18
vance directives, including living wills and durable
19 powers of attorney, and their uses.
20 ‘‘(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the
21 role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.
22 ‘‘(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list
23 of national and State-specific resources to assist con24
sumers and their families with advance care plan25
ning, including the national toll-free hotline, the ad-
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1 vance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal
2 service organizations (including those funded
3 through the Older Americans Act of 1965).
4 ‘‘(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the
5 continuum of end-of-life services and supports avail6
able, including palliative care and hospice, and bene7
fits for such services and supports that are available
8 under this title.
9 ‘‘(F)(i) Subject to clause (ii), an explanation of
10 orders regarding life sustaining treatment or similar
11 orders, which shall include—
12 ‘‘(I) the reasons why the development of
13 such an order is beneficial to the individual and
14 the individual’s family and the reasons why
15 such an order should be updated periodically as
16 the health of the individual changes;
17 ‘‘(II) the information needed for an indi18
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sions regarding the completion of such an
20 order; and
And this little tidbit from snopes.com
What the referenced portion of the bill actually describes is a provision that would allow patients (if they so choose) to prepare for the day when they might be seriously ill and unable to make medical decisions for themselves by engaging in consultations with doctors to discuss the full range of end-of-life care options available to them, and to have the cost of such consultations covered by Medicare. These consultations might involve topics such as the development of living wills, directives to accept or refuse extreme life-saving measures, selection of hospice programs, appointment of relatives to make health care decisions on their behalf should they become incapacitated, etc.
These consultations are not mandatory, and they have nothing to do with encouraging or pushing “euthanasia” on seniors — they’re about providing patients with information they can use to make informed choices about their future treatment preferences. In fact, as the Associated Press noted, the bill “would block funds for counseling that presents suicide or assisted suicide as an option”:
Q: Does the health care legislation bill promote “mercy killing,” or euthanasia?
A: No.
Q: Then what’s all the fuss about?
A: A provision in the House bill would allow Medicare to pay doctors for voluntary counseling sessions that address end-of-life issues. The conversations between doctor and patient would include living wills, making a close relative or a trusted friend your health care proxy, learning about hospice as an option for the terminally ill, and information about pain medications for people suffering chronic discomfort.
Q: Does the bill advocate assisted suicide?
A: No. It would block funds for counseling that presents suicide or assisted suicide as an option.
And then this from the AARP… you know,,,,,, that lil ol group that takes care of old people…
http://www.aarp.org/aarp/presscenter/pressrelease/articles/mccaughey_statement.html
So tell me again… who is distorting the truth?
I don’t have to wonder, I know why, it’s because their insurance is AMAZING… and the weird part is… it’s the same for democrats and republicans, funny huh?
Nice work phill_up… I was planning on easing my way back in, not staging a full frontal assault on the RR
They should be worried about what happens when nothing gets changed and we stay with the soon to be bankrupt system that is currently in place.
Looks like a lot of legal speak for what a practioner is required to do for a patient. That used to be between the doc and the patient. Not the Government. Thanks for the clarification
The key being that the counseling is available to be paid for every five years by medicare on a VOLUNTARY basis, never mandatory and not euthanasia.
Do your parents use medicare? Do they draw SS? Do you know any retired person that does not? Do you know any retirement age person that could go to the DR without the use of medicare?
Doesn’t your insurance provide a lot of dos and don’t for your DR… even stipulating how much they can charge? What’s the gov’t got to do with that?
Congress’s ins. is amazing because other people pay for it. Seems like the common thread in all this
So you would be better off taking the money that you are paying in to our H&W and striking out on your own to insure your family with health, dental and vision coverage?
“no sane person believes anybody will be killed,let’s be real.”
I don’t want to go looking for what Sarah Palin said word for word, but she said something to the effect that under Obama’s bill that her son would be euthanized. That is coming from someone that could have been VP.
okay… Was Sarah Palin lieing or is she in the category of “no sane person”?
Admin will you answer this question if no one else will?
Are you implying that Sarah Palin is an insane liar?
Sarah Palin: “The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama?s ‘death panel’ so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their ‘level of productivity in society,’ whether they are worthy of health care.
“Such a system is downright evil,” she wrote.
Was it tax payers that paid for her baby to be born? Her daughters baby to be born? Heck I bet tax payers was paying for her whole families health care
““no sane person believes anybody will be killed,let’s be real.”
Is Sarah palin a
#1 A liar
#2 Insane
#3 what you stated admin
GOP backs away from end-of-life counseling
Until last week, “Republican” Sen. Johnny Isakson was among the most enthusiastic backers of end-of-life counseling in government health care programs like Medicare.
That was before conservatives called it a step toward euthanasia and former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin likened the idea to a bureaucratic “death panel” that would decide whether sick people get to live. And even though those claims have been widely discredited, the issue remains a political weapon in the increasingly bitter health care debate.
“Until last week this was basically a nonpartisan issue,” said John Rother, executive vice president for policy at AARP, the seniors lobbying group. “People across the political spectrum recognize that far too often people’s wishes aren’t respected at the end of life and there is a lot of unnecessary suffering.”
The idea for government-backed end-of-life counseling — while delicate given the subject matter — has garnered significant consensus on Capitol Hill, fueled in part by cases such as that of Terri Schiavo, whose divided family fought for years over whether she would want to be kept alive in a vegetative state.
Just a year ago, Congress overwhelmingly approved legislation requiring doctors to discuss issues like living wills and advance directives with new Medicare enrollees. And the government already requires hospitals and nursing homes to help patients with those legal documents if they want support, under a 1992 law passed under Republican President George H.W. Bush.
jeeze, you guys get hot & heavy then you bail.
Does that mean I win?
What did you think about the above post? What do you think about the republicans who initially thought the “end of life” counseling was a good idea and then backed away from it? Do you think Sarah Palin still has animosity towards Obama? does it seem like this law is really the one that passed while GW Bush was in office? What is the big stink about Obama wanting to start killing people off when in actuality it has already passed under the republicans.
I think it is amazing that when the republicans have a bitch they are allowed to continue with it on and on and on.
I remember when someone stood up at GW’s speeches and said something that wasn’t what GW wanted to hear and he was grabbed by the arms and promptly removed.
Just a reminder… Do you remember when GW was throwing the idea around about privatizing social security? putting it in the stock market or some shiite? Where would social security be now if he would have succeeded? The stock market crashed when he was in Office in case anyone forgot the time line on that
An official with SEIU, which has been sending members to town halls to counterbalance the Tea Party brigade, sends over this audio of a phone call the union says it received on its central voicemail system, threatening to teach union officials a thing or two about “the Second Amendment”…
pdate: Brian Beutler reports that an anti-health care reform organizer is explicitly calling on the troops to “carry” and if SEIU members get disruptive, to “hurt them.”
Update II: The threat comes after Rush Limbaugh went on the offensive against SEIU today and even gave out the address of the union’s St. Louis’ headquarters.
http://theplumline.whorunsgov.com/labor/seiu-gets-threatening-phone-call-youre-gonna-come-up-against-the-second-amendment/
http://moveon.org/
Great now I’ll have to make a contribution to this organization to combat these lies. I may pick up material to take to any town hall meetings we have here also.
wow…look at the cobwebs.
what i dont understand there paying a billion a month in iraq .
a billion would pay alot of peoples health care .if you get a chance watch that movie sicko
I saw that movie. It’s sad that fire fighters who got sick from the 9/11 attack on the towers lost their health care and the people who are responsible wound up with great health care.